Discussion:
The Leo Frank case
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d***@bellsouth.net
2005-06-26 19:15:46 UTC
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I have an article about the Leo Frank case up
athttp://www.crimemagazine.com/05/leofrank,0314-5.htm. I would be
interested to learn what posters to this newsgroups think of my piece.
ronniecat
2005-06-27 01:02:16 UTC
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Post by d***@bellsouth.net
I have an article about the Leo Frank case up
at
http://www.crimemagazine.com/05/leofrank,0314-5.htm. I would be
interested to learn what posters to this newsgroups think of my piece.
haven't read the piece yet but I fixed the URL for you so it is
"clickable".

ronnie
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My2Cents
2005-06-27 02:51:42 UTC
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I thought it was very informative & well written. I never did
understand why people thought the word of the janitor was more credible
than the word of the factory manager. Did it not occur to them that the
janitor might be blaming Frank to cover his own culpability? Was
Georgia consumed more with hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days?
Phoenix
2005-06-27 05:12:28 UTC
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Post by My2Cents
I thought it was very informative & well written. I never did
understand why people thought the word of the janitor was more credible
than the word of the factory manager. Did it not occur to them that the
janitor might be blaming Frank to cover his own culpability? Was
Georgia consumed more with hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days?
Blacks could be kept in their place. Jews had ambition and could show
up a stupid cracker.

Never underestimate the bile that seethes in Northern Georgia. Ty Cobb
was from there - meanest baseball player that ever lived.

bel
Greg Carr
2023-08-10 05:27:04 UTC
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Post by My2Cents
I thought it was very informative & well written. I never did
understand why people thought the word of the janitor was more credible
than the word of the factory manager. Did it not occur to them that the
janitor might be blaming Frank to cover his own culpability? Was
Georgia consumed more with hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days?
Blacks could be kept in their place. Jews had ambition and could show
up a stupid cracker.
Never underestimate the bile that seethes in Northern Georgia. Ty Cobb
was from there - meanest baseball player that ever lived.
That he was but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_career_batting_average_leaders the best batting average in MLB history to this day. Ahmaud Arbery that Black jogger was shot dead by a trio of creepies a few years ago in Georgia. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/gregory-mcmichael-ahmaud-arbery-murder-moved-medical-prison
bel
d***@bellsouth.net
2005-06-27 11:13:10 UTC
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Post by My2Cents
I thought it was very informative & well written. I never did
understand why people thought the word of the janitor was more credible
than the word of the factory manager. Did it not occur to them that the
janitor might be blaming Frank to cover his own culpability? Was
Georgia consumed more with hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days?
(Denise) No, I don't think Georgia was at all "consumed more with
hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days." Rather, Jim Conley
understood Southern prejudices and could manipulate them. He assumed a
kind of Uncle Tom persona saying he had helped Frank move the body
"because he was my supervisor and a white man." This posture of
deference toward whites is part of what saved Conley. Although I
didn't go into it deeply in the article, many commentators thought it
simply impossible that a "poor, ignorant Negro" as Conley was often
labeled, could have made up such an elaborate cover story and stuck to
it.
Hunter
2005-06-27 15:01:36 UTC
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Post by d***@bellsouth.net
Post by My2Cents
I thought it was very informative & well written. I never did
understand why people thought the word of the janitor was more credible
than the word of the factory manager. Did it not occur to them that the
janitor might be blaming Frank to cover his own culpability? Was
Georgia consumed more with hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days?
(Denise) No, I don't think Georgia was at all "consumed more with
hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days." Rather, Jim Conley
understood Southern prejudices and could manipulate them. He assumed a
kind of Uncle Tom persona saying he had helped Frank move the body
"because he was my supervisor and a white man." This posture of
deference toward whites is part of what saved Conley. Although I
didn't go into it deeply in the article, many commentators thought it
simply impossible that a "poor, ignorant Negro" as Conley was often
labeled, could have made up such an elaborate cover story and stuck to
it.
----
Yeah, it was a sad, sick form poetic justice and irony. One of the few
rare times a black man actually took advantage of a white girl-compared
to the hundreds of times an innocent black man was beaten and even
lynched on just a rumor or out and out lie of molesting a white
female-and he got away with it, and the victim was of the lie was
another oppressed minority from the north who was kind to him. Ugly all
around.

----->Hunter

---->Hunter
c***@yahoo.com
2005-06-27 16:01:35 UTC
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Post by Hunter
Yeah, it was a sad, sick form poetic justice and irony. One of the few
rare times a black man actually took advantage of a white girl
One of the few times a black man actually took advantage of a white
girl? Ever read FBI statistics idiot?
Post by Hunter
and the victim was of the lie was
another oppressed minority from the north who was kind to him.
Kind to him? I guess letting the black guy do his dirty work
was your idea of being kind huh? Frank couldn't have cared less
if Conley had hanged for the crime he himself had committed...

LOL, this thread has attracted some real sharp minds! I think your
post beat 'em all.

--
Cliff
Hunter
2005-06-27 19:14:13 UTC
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Post by c***@yahoo.com
Post by Hunter
Yeah, it was a sad, sick form poetic justice and irony. One of the few
rare times a black man actually took advantage of a white girl
One of the few times a black man actually took advantage of a white
girl? Ever read FBI statistics idiot?
----
I am not talking about today, but during Leo Frank's era. See below. At
anyrate, White women are far more likely to be taken advantage of by a
white man than a black one. Oh, and please post a link to your FBI
statistics please.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
Post by Hunter
and the victim was of the lie was
another oppressed minority from the north who was kind to him.
Kind to him? I guess letting the black guy do his dirty work
was your idea of being kind huh? Frank couldn't have cared less
if Conley had hanged for the crime he himself had committed...
----
Conely did not do his "dirty work" for him because he did not commit
the crime, and from reports I have read he did not treat Conely like
most southern Whites did at the time.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
LOL, this thread has attracted some real sharp minds! I think your
post beat 'em all.
--
Cliff
----
I was taking about within the context of the south during the civil
rights, pre civil rights and reconstruction eras. Times when if a black
man or boy was even suspected at just looking at a white female or even
just talking back in a so-called disrespectful, insolent way he was in
mortal danger. Emmitt Till in 1954, The Scottsboro Boys in 1931, Jesse
Washington in 1916, Rubin Stacy in 1935 Claude Neal in 1934 and many,
many others:

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/LA-Lynching10.html

http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/2000/lynching.htm

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~djb8243/Lynchings.html

This is what I was talking about in context of the Leo Frank case,
which was a aboration in that a black man's word was taken over that of
a white man's. If Leo Frank wasn't a Jew, it would had been Jim Conley
who would had been lynched. The fact that he was very likely actually
guilty would had been the exception to the rule when it came to black
men accussed of crimes against white women. A blackman in the South
during that era had only a marginally better chance at a fair trial
than a jew in 1935 Nazi Germany as far as I'm concerned.

---->Hunter
Greg Carr
2023-08-10 05:19:00 UTC
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Post by My2Cents
I thought it was very informative & well written. I never did
understand why people thought the word of the janitor was more credible
than the word of the factory manager. Did it not occur to them that the
janitor might be blaming Frank to cover his own culpability? Was
Georgia consumed more with hatred for Jews than Blacks in those days?
That trial was the first in the history of Georgia that the testimony of a Black man though they were not called that back then was used to convict a non nigger.
c***@yahoo.com
2005-06-27 15:53:40 UTC
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Post by d***@bellsouth.net
I have an article about the Leo Frank case up
athttp://www.crimemagazine.com/05/leofrank,0314-5.htm. I would be
interested to learn what posters to this newsgroups think of my piece.
It didn't take much of a scan to see that it's just another piece
of typical pro-Leo Frank propaganda, that is relentlessly (STILL)
being spewed by the Leo Frank apologists, mainly Jews and some
non-Jews who are ignorant enought to swallow the malarky hook,
line and sinker.

A few points on the Leo Frank story:

Leo Frank was guilty of the rape and murder of 13-year-old Mary
Phagan. I probably know more about this case than you'll ever know.

He used black man Jim Conley to dispose of the body. The Alonzo
Mann revelation 69 years later (in 1982) means nothing to me,
and it apparently meant nothing to the Georgia Board of Pardons
and Paroles at that time, when they refused to grant Frank a posthumous
pardon. (They did cave to some Jewish pressure somewhat in 1986,
but clearly DID NOT exonnerate Leo Frank of Mary Phagan's rape
and murder, but based their decision on the fact that the State
failed to properly protect Frank while incarcerated, as he was
taken out and lynched in 1915.)

The Alonzo Mann claim in no way exonnerates Frank of the rape
and murder; it only backs the idea that Conley disposed of the body
for Frank. Jim Conley was a go-fer and a problem drinker at the
time, as he was at the time of his death many years later, in
1962. He never had any history of sexual assault or murder
during all those years.

Much is made of the fact that Gov. Slaton commuted Frank's sentence
to life. So, if he believed Frank was innocent, then WHY didn't
he give him a pardon, instead of a life sentence?

The Leo Frank story won't die because the Jews continue to
relentlessly bring it up, while trying to make child rapist/
murderer Leo Frank a poster boy in their endless whines about
anti-Semitism. Making child rapist/murder Leo their poster
boy doesn't do much for their cause, but Leo Frank is the ONLY
Jew ever lynched in America, so they've milked the story till
there's nothing left but the smoke.

--
Cliff
Hunter
2005-06-27 23:06:09 UTC
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Post by c***@yahoo.com
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
I have an article about the Leo Frank case up
athttp://www.crimemagazine.com/05/leofrank,0314-5.htm. I would be
interested to learn what posters to this newsgroups think of my piece.
It didn't take much of a scan to see that it's just another piece
of typical pro-Leo Frank propaganda, that is relentlessly (STILL)
being spewed by the Leo Frank apologists, mainly Jews and some
non-Jews who are ignorant enought to swallow the malarky hook,
line and sinker.
Leo Frank was guilty of the rape and murder of 13-year-old Mary
Phagan. I probably know more about this case than you'll ever know.
---
Really? Then why doesn't the time line match up? In fact, layout all
what you believe points to Leo's guilt.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
He used black man Jim Conley to dispose of the body. The Alonzo
Mann revelation 69 years later (in 1982) means nothing to me,
and it apparently meant nothing to the Georgia Board of Pardons
and Paroles at that time, when they refused to grant Frank a posthumous
pardon. (They did cave to some Jewish pressure somewhat in 1986,
but clearly DID NOT exonnerate Leo Frank of Mary Phagan's rape
and murder, but based their decision on the fact that the State
failed to properly protect Frank while incarcerated, as he was
taken out and lynched in 1915.)
----
All you have done is state the prosecution's statement without using
supporting evidence? Just saying that Leo Frank is guilty of the rape
and murder of Mary Phagan and Mr. Conaly helped dispose of the body is
saying nothing in support of the case. Use key trail and appelette
evidence to backup your assertion that Mr. Frank is guilty.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
The Alonzo Mann claim in no way exonnerates Frank of the rape
and murder; it only backs the idea that Conley disposed of the body
for Frank. Jim Conley was a go-fer and a problem drinker at the
time, as he was at the time of his death many years later, in
1962. He never had any history of sexual assault or murder
during all those years.
----
Neither did Leo Frank have any history of sexual assault. And even if
Conely had, given the justice system of the south of that time, I would
find it suspect. He did have an arrest record for petty theft for what
its worth. Mr. Frank didn't. More relevant, Mr. Conely changed his
story three times while being interrogated.

Mr. Conely said that he helped Mr. Frank despose of the body in the
basement *together*, that is Mr. Frank, according to Mr. Conley,
physically went with him carrying the body with him. Alonzo Mann saw
Conley and only Conley carrying and disposing of the body near the
elevator shaft contray to what he nevously said at trial. He is one of
many who recanted after the trial. Add to it that Mr. Frank had many
eyewitness as to his wareabouts during the murder for instance those
who saw him walking home at between 1pm and 1:30pm at.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
Much is made of the fact that Gov. Slaton commuted Frank's sentence
to life. So, if he believed Frank was innocent, then WHY didn't
he give him a pardon, instead of a life sentence?
----
Maybe because he was getting death threats against himself and his
wife? He actually stated that he believed that Mr. Frank was innocent,
but weighing the appeal court findings and and the uneasiness of
feeling of the trial judge over the guilty verdict, he split the
differnce. He was hoping that in time, Leo would be proved innocent. In
the meanwhile he commuted his sentence to life imprisonment so he would
have time to prove it. After he rendered his dicission, he had to have
a battalion of soldiers to protect him and his family such was the
feeling.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
The Leo Frank story won't die because the Jews continue to
relentlessly bring it up, while trying to make child rapist/
murderer Leo Frank a poster boy in their endless whines about
anti-Semitism. Making child rapist/murder Leo their poster
boy doesn't do much for their cause, but Leo Frank is the ONLY
Jew ever lynched in America, so they've milked the story till
there's nothing left but the smoke.
--
Cliff
----
Actually there has been four jews lynched in American history.

Can anyone at this time completely and dtotally say that Leo Frank
didn't murder little Mary Phagan? Maybe not. Perhaps, if any of the
trail evidence is still in existance, perhaps modern 21st century
forensic science can shed more light. But going on what we know now,
there is ample reasonable doubt to Frank's guilt. One thing for sure,
guilty or not-and I say not-Leo Frank did not receive a fair trial.

Your statements that all this support for Leo Frank's innocence is part
of some Jewish plot to mine it for sympathy amongst other things is
nothing different from the raging anti-semetic atmosphere before during
and after the trial.

----->Hunter
Mark Service
2023-07-31 17:54:46 UTC
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Update: 2023, the 110th anniversary of the rape-murder of little Mary Phagan and trial of Leo Frank.

The Leo Frank trial brief of evidence and appellate records of the Georgia supreme court have been published online.

The supreme court of Georgia, which rejected Leo Frank's request for a new trial, concluded in 1914 that the evidence at his trial was more than sufficient to sustain the verdict.

Leo Frank's guilt had been proven to a mathematical certainty, based on these legal records.

From the witness stand, Leo Frank told the jury that he unconsciously went to the scene of the crime, when the murder took place in the machine department.

No amount of activist professors, fake news journalists, Jewish agitators, or pseudoscholars can manufacture a consensus now that the legal records prove he was guilty.

Read the Leo Frank trial brief of evidence it proves clearly he was guilty.
Post by Hunter
Post by c***@yahoo.com
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
I have an article about the Leo Frank case up
athttp://www.crimemagazine.com/05/leofrank,0314-5.htm. I would be
interested to learn what posters to this newsgroups think of my piece.
It didn't take much of a scan to see that it's just another piece
of typical pro-Leo Frank propaganda, that is relentlessly (STILL)
being spewed by the Leo Frank apologists, mainly Jews and some
non-Jews who are ignorant enought to swallow the malarky hook,
line and sinker.
Leo Frank was guilty of the rape and murder of 13-year-old Mary
Phagan. I probably know more about this case than you'll ever know.
---
Really? Then why doesn't the time line match up? In fact, layout all
what you believe points to Leo's guilt.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
He used black man Jim Conley to dispose of the body. The Alonzo
Mann revelation 69 years later (in 1982) means nothing to me,
and it apparently meant nothing to the Georgia Board of Pardons
and Paroles at that time, when they refused to grant Frank a posthumous
pardon. (They did cave to some Jewish pressure somewhat in 1986,
but clearly DID NOT exonnerate Leo Frank of Mary Phagan's rape
and murder, but based their decision on the fact that the State
failed to properly protect Frank while incarcerated, as he was
taken out and lynched in 1915.)
----
All you have done is state the prosecution's statement without using
supporting evidence? Just saying that Leo Frank is guilty of the rape
and murder of Mary Phagan and Mr. Conaly helped dispose of the body is
saying nothing in support of the case. Use key trail and appelette
evidence to backup your assertion that Mr. Frank is guilty.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
The Alonzo Mann claim in no way exonnerates Frank of the rape
and murder; it only backs the idea that Conley disposed of the body
for Frank. Jim Conley was a go-fer and a problem drinker at the
time, as he was at the time of his death many years later, in
1962. He never had any history of sexual assault or murder
during all those years.
----
Neither did Leo Frank have any history of sexual assault. And even if
Conely had, given the justice system of the south of that time, I would
find it suspect. He did have an arrest record for petty theft for what
its worth. Mr. Frank didn't. More relevant, Mr. Conely changed his
story three times while being interrogated.
Mr. Conely said that he helped Mr. Frank despose of the body in the
basement *together*, that is Mr. Frank, according to Mr. Conley,
physically went with him carrying the body with him. Alonzo Mann saw
Conley and only Conley carrying and disposing of the body near the
elevator shaft contray to what he nevously said at trial. He is one of
many who recanted after the trial. Add to it that Mr. Frank had many
eyewitness as to his wareabouts during the murder for instance those
who saw him walking home at between 1pm and 1:30pm at.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
Much is made of the fact that Gov. Slaton commuted Frank's sentence
to life. So, if he believed Frank was innocent, then WHY didn't
he give him a pardon, instead of a life sentence?
----
Maybe because he was getting death threats against himself and his
wife? He actually stated that he believed that Mr. Frank was innocent,
but weighing the appeal court findings and and the uneasiness of
feeling of the trial judge over the guilty verdict, he split the
differnce. He was hoping that in time, Leo would be proved innocent. In
the meanwhile he commuted his sentence to life imprisonment so he would
have time to prove it. After he rendered his dicission, he had to have
a battalion of soldiers to protect him and his family such was the
feeling.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
The Leo Frank story won't die because the Jews continue to
relentlessly bring it up, while trying to make child rapist/
murderer Leo Frank a poster boy in their endless whines about
anti-Semitism. Making child rapist/murder Leo their poster
boy doesn't do much for their cause, but Leo Frank is the ONLY
Jew ever lynched in America, so they've milked the story till
there's nothing left but the smoke.
--
Cliff
----
Actually there has been four jews lynched in American history.
Can anyone at this time completely and dtotally say that Leo Frank
didn't murder little Mary Phagan? Maybe not. Perhaps, if any of the
trail evidence is still in existance, perhaps modern 21st century
forensic science can shed more light. But going on what we know now,
there is ample reasonable doubt to Frank's guilt. One thing for sure,
guilty or not-and I say not-Leo Frank did not receive a fair trial.
Your statements that all this support for Leo Frank's innocence is part
of some Jewish plot to mine it for sympathy amongst other things is
nothing different from the raging anti-semetic atmosphere before during
and after the trial.
----->Hunter
Greg Carr
2023-08-10 05:30:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Service
Update: 2023, the 110th anniversary of the rape-murder of little Mary Phagan and trial of Leo Frank.
The Leo Frank trial brief of evidence and appellate records of the Georgia supreme court have been published online.
The supreme court of Georgia, which rejected Leo Frank's request for a new trial, concluded in 1914 that the evidence at his trial was more than sufficient to sustain the verdict.
Leo Frank's guilt had been proven to a mathematical certainty, based on these legal records.
From the witness stand, Leo Frank told the jury that he unconsciously went to the scene of the crime, when the murder took place in the machine department.
No amount of activist professors, fake news journalists, Jewish agitators, or pseudoscholars can manufacture a consensus now that the legal records prove he was guilty.
Read the Leo Frank trial brief of evidence it proves clearly he was guilty.
Post by Hunter
Post by c***@yahoo.com
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
I have an article about the Leo Frank case up
athttp://www.crimemagazine.com/05/leofrank,0314-5.htm. I would be
interested to learn what posters to this newsgroups think of my piece.
It didn't take much of a scan to see that it's just another piece
of typical pro-Leo Frank propaganda, that is relentlessly (STILL)
being spewed by the Leo Frank apologists, mainly Jews and some
non-Jews who are ignorant enought to swallow the malarky hook,
line and sinker.
Leo Frank was guilty of the rape and murder of 13-year-old Mary
Phagan. I probably know more about this case than you'll ever know.
---
Really? Then why doesn't the time line match up? In fact, layout all
what you believe points to Leo's guilt.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
He used black man Jim Conley to dispose of the body. The Alonzo
Mann revelation 69 years later (in 1982) means nothing to me,
and it apparently meant nothing to the Georgia Board of Pardons
and Paroles at that time, when they refused to grant Frank a posthumous
pardon. (They did cave to some Jewish pressure somewhat in 1986,
but clearly DID NOT exonnerate Leo Frank of Mary Phagan's rape
and murder, but based their decision on the fact that the State
failed to properly protect Frank while incarcerated, as he was
taken out and lynched in 1915.)
----
All you have done is state the prosecution's statement without using
supporting evidence? Just saying that Leo Frank is guilty of the rape
and murder of Mary Phagan and Mr. Conaly helped dispose of the body is
saying nothing in support of the case. Use key trail and appelette
evidence to backup your assertion that Mr. Frank is guilty.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
The Alonzo Mann claim in no way exonnerates Frank of the rape
and murder; it only backs the idea that Conley disposed of the body
for Frank. Jim Conley was a go-fer and a problem drinker at the
time, as he was at the time of his death many years later, in
1962. He never had any history of sexual assault or murder
during all those years.
----
Neither did Leo Frank have any history of sexual assault. And even if
Conely had, given the justice system of the south of that time, I would
find it suspect. He did have an arrest record for petty theft for what
its worth. Mr. Frank didn't. More relevant, Mr. Conely changed his
story three times while being interrogated.
Mr. Conely said that he helped Mr. Frank despose of the body in the
basement *together*, that is Mr. Frank, according to Mr. Conley,
physically went with him carrying the body with him. Alonzo Mann saw
Conley and only Conley carrying and disposing of the body near the
elevator shaft contray to what he nevously said at trial. He is one of
many who recanted after the trial. Add to it that Mr. Frank had many
eyewitness as to his wareabouts during the murder for instance those
who saw him walking home at between 1pm and 1:30pm at.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
Much is made of the fact that Gov. Slaton commuted Frank's sentence
to life. So, if he believed Frank was innocent, then WHY didn't
he give him a pardon, instead of a life sentence?
----
Maybe because he was getting death threats against himself and his
wife? He actually stated that he believed that Mr. Frank was innocent,
but weighing the appeal court findings and and the uneasiness of
feeling of the trial judge over the guilty verdict, he split the
differnce. He was hoping that in time, Leo would be proved innocent. In
the meanwhile he commuted his sentence to life imprisonment so he would
have time to prove it. After he rendered his dicission, he had to have
a battalion of soldiers to protect him and his family such was the
feeling.
Post by c***@yahoo.com
The Leo Frank story won't die because the Jews continue to
relentlessly bring it up, while trying to make child rapist/
murderer Leo Frank a poster boy in their endless whines about
anti-Semitism. Making child rapist/murder Leo their poster
boy doesn't do much for their cause, but Leo Frank is the ONLY
Jew ever lynched in America, so they've milked the story till
there's nothing left but the smoke.
--
Cliff
----
Actually there has been four jews lynched in American history.
Can anyone at this time completely and dtotally say that Leo Frank
didn't murder little Mary Phagan? Maybe not. Perhaps, if any of the
trail evidence is still in existance, perhaps modern 21st century
forensic science can shed more light. But going on what we know now,
there is ample reasonable doubt to Frank's guilt. One thing for sure,
guilty or not-and I say not-Leo Frank did not receive a fair trial.
Your statements that all this support for Leo Frank's innocence is part
of some Jewish plot to mine it for sympathy amongst other things is
nothing different from the raging anti-semetic atmosphere before during
and after the trial.
----->Hunter
Just another twit posting lies you are.

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